tepidpoultry
I have read it again, I think you are right indeed. This makes it even more bizarre.
Thanks
Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
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Actions and consequences of Lot’s wife vs. David
by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu inactions and consequences of lot’s wife vs. actions and consequences of david.
genesis 19 talks about how sodom and gomorrah were destroyed.
david under any law: yes, under the law of moses crime: adultery and murder consequence: nothing but blessings from god.
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Actions and consequences of Lot’s wife vs. David
by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu inactions and consequences of lot’s wife vs. actions and consequences of david.
genesis 19 talks about how sodom and gomorrah were destroyed.
david under any law: yes, under the law of moses crime: adultery and murder consequence: nothing but blessings from god.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
Tepidpoultry
PS May I suggest looking into why Yahweh personally slaughtered
70,000 innocent men after David disobeyed him by taking a census
1 Chronicles 21
:0)Thank you for this suggestion. I was not yet familiar with that story. I have read it now and at first sight this seems quite injust. When for instance Abraham in Genesis 18 pleads for Sodom, God promises him to not destroy the city if only a few righteous people would be found there.
It seems highly unlikely to me, that there were zero righteous persons under this 70.000 people.
It is however necessary to mention, that the 70.000 men were not directly killed by God, but indirectly as a result of a plague. This makes it different from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and Lot's wife, where God was the direct cause. Still, it is a horrible event of course.
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Actions and consequences of Lot’s wife vs. David
by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu inactions and consequences of lot’s wife vs. actions and consequences of david.
genesis 19 talks about how sodom and gomorrah were destroyed.
david under any law: yes, under the law of moses crime: adultery and murder consequence: nothing but blessings from god.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
Actions and consequences of Lot’s wife vs. Actions and consequences of David
Genesis 19 talks about how Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. Lot and his wife and daughters fled. But because Lot’s wife looked back, she died.
Genesis 19:26
Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.In my view, Lot’s wife was under no law. This event happened more than 400 years prior to Moses, when the Law was introduced.
The following is being said about Abraham, who was the uncle of Lot, so Lot and Abraham lived in around the same era.
Galatians 3:15-18
Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,”[ meaning one person, who is Christ. What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.First, this brings confusion when reading the following verse:
Genesis 26:5: Because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws.
Some argue that these laws refer to the Noahic covenant
The Noahic covenant [Genesis 8-9] applies to the whole of humankind. In this covenant, God:
1. God blessed Noah and his sons, and told them to populate the earth [9:1]
2. Placed all plants and animals under human command [9:2-3]
3. Forbade the eating meat with the blood still in it [9:4]
4. Murder was forbidden [9:5]
5. Humankind were commanded to shed the blood of those who shed blood [9:6]
6. The Lord promised that he would never again destroy all life on earth by a flood [9:11]
7. The Lord created the rainbow as the sign of this covenant for all ages to come [9:12-17]Still, nowhere is there a law that forbids looking back when fleeing from a city. Lot’s wife did not do anything forbidden according to these laws.
Others argue that a commandment was given in Genesis 19 itself
Genesis 19:15-17 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.” When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the Lord was merciful to them. As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!”
I have problems with this. It is not likely that Lot and his wife were aware that this was being said by an angel.
In the beginning of the chapter this is being said about the angels:
Genesis 19:1-2 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”
The fact that Lot called the angels lords does not imply that he thought they were more than just men. Sara also called Abraham her lord (1 Peter 3:6). Furthermore, Hebrews 13:2 says the following:
Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
I think this applies to Lot. So, to say that Lot's wife ignored the commandment in this chapter to me is truly a problem. When for instance Jonah received a commandment from God, it was the Word of God that was speaking to him (Jonah 1:1-2), and he was aware of this. For Moses, it was God Himself that spoke directly to Him.
But for Lot and his wife and daughters, it was all but clear that this was a message from God. The angels were just two strangers, that appeared to them as men.
In my opinion, Lot’s wife has been being punished while not having violated any law or commandment from God.
Like Paul says, in Romans 4:15
And where there is no law there is no transgression.
Then David.
2 Samuel 11:2-4: One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roofof the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.” Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her.
He was already under the Law of Moses. He violated this by sleeping with Bathsheba, whose husband was Uriah.
Leviticus 20:10
"'If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.Then:
2 Samuel 11:14-15: In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah. In it he wrote, “Put Uriah out in front where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die.”
Uriah was now basically murdered because of the orders from David.
This violated the commandment that one shall not murder (Exodus 20:13)
What was Gods view on David?
Acts 13:22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: 'I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.'
David was a man after God's heart, and was not punished for any of his crimes.
To make a short summary
Lot’s wife
Under any law?: No
(Alleged) crime: Looking back
Consequence: Turned into a pillar of salt, so basically deathDavid
Under any law: Yes, under the Law of Moses
Crime: Adultery and murder
Consequence: Nothing but blessings from GodHow can these two things ever be reconciled with each other?
I still believe in God and in the Bible as the Word of God, but these stories appear disturbing to me.
God seems to act here with double standards. How can this ever be?
Every answer will be appreciated
Thanks
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Forever Young
by AllTimeJeff inhey everyone.
so this is what 10 years out feels like.
employed, paying bills, and watching the slow demise of planet earth.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
Interesting story. The part about programming is very true.
Do you still believe in God?
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Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017
by Da.Furious inon jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.
on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.
they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.
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Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017
by Da.Furious inon jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.
on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.
they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.
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Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017
by Da.Furious inon jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.
on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.
they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
WTS lost!
niceeeee
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Moscow City Court JW Restriction Verdict Today - 16-Jan-2017
by Da.Furious inon jw.org this is the first paragraph on the 12 january news on russia:.
on january 16, 2017, jehovah’s witnesses in russia will again seek to counter the decade-long tightening of restrictions on their religious freedom.
they will ask the moscow city court to rule that a warning against their national headquarters be rescinded as unlawful and unfounded.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
I sincerely hope they will lose and have their religion completely banned in Russia
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For those that read the bible, does the true message of scripture still come through in NWT?
by NikL inmy active and in jw wife is up for reading bible together.
thing is she wants to use nwt.. i have problems with that translation as you my imagine.. just wondering if you thought the true message of the bible will shine through the deliberate tampering of the nwt?.
i know many people here don't like or want to read the bible and think it's rubbish anyway, so if that's you, you can save your comments :-).
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
Since a couple of months I am reading the New International Version. For me, reading the NIV brings a whole different feeling of reading than the NWT. To name an example, words like grace are so present in this NIV Bible, and I think the replacement in the NWT of grace for 'undeserved kindness' really is a shame. It does not read the same, and to me it feels like the meaning also changes somehow. To answer your question; for topics such as grace, no, I don't think the right message shines through when reading the New World Translation. Since I have the NIV, I have stopped reading the NWT.
Also, I don't feel comfortable in the fact that the NWT has added the name of Jehovah in places where the name shouldn't be. Furthermore, things like how they render Acts 20:28 is a problem to me. It is adding words that should not be there. I do not think the NWT is a good Bible.
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Why do JW's never pray for the Spirit of Jesus?
by Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu ini am new on this forum.
i have been associating with the jw's for three years, and was about to be baptised soon (next month).
however, i discovered on time that it is not right to do.
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Yesu Kristo Bwana Wangu
Stanlivedeath
Its a good job your not baptised--because if you were---asking questions like this it could get you disfellowshipped.Evilapostate
Sounds like you dodged a bulletNinaCee
I will tell you that Stan is right; challenging existing Watchtower doctrine is a definite no-no and will get you in hot waterHaha, it turned out that I did not dodge a bullet after all. Last Tuesday I had two elders visiting who had a talk with me. The conversation went actually quite well but ultimately they asked if I still believe if the org is God's only channel for us. I had not prepared anything what I could say in case they would come up with this question. So.. turned out that my answer was not the right one.
In the watchtower for January 9-15 I saw the following
Some may feel that they can interpret the Bible on their own. However, Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the only channel for dispensing spiritual food.
This is literally what they told me. I like to read and study a lot, and one of these elders literally said that I am studying too much. What the org publishes is of course sufficient for all of us!
I am actually happy that it is now over. Since I am already considered not worthy of talking to, I have decided to visit all the African families in my village that I know are studying with the witnesses from my congregation. Wednesday and yesterday I have visited three families, in total they are 12 people. I was very, very happy that they all listened and they were actually quite shocked to hear some of the things JW's believe in but never told them. The mediator thing is a no go for all of them. None was wanting to accept this teaching. One family had not yet heard of the 1914 teaching, and literally had to laugh really hard about this teaching. Together with my own Congolese study of 8 people it is already 20 Africans that are no longer willing to study with the witnesses. There are some other Africans studying with witnesses in my village. Hopefully they will be also willing to listen.
Now I am really interested in what will happen. I think the brothers and sisters that study with these African families are not yet aware that their studies know all these things now, since it has been only a really short time ago. If they find out that I did this, what can they do? They will be angry with no doubt. I am just wondering, there is nothing they can do, because they have to shun me, right?
At my university, there are a lot of international students coming from all over Europe, Asia and America. Buddhists, Christians, Muslims, all kinds of beliefs. Listening to their stories of what they believed really made me think; who am I to judge about what others believe? Why would their belief be wrong, if they are happy with it? This is exactly the attitude JW's are promoting. When I entered the JW's a few years ago, I honestly thought they did not judge other people so much. Turned out that they are, in my view, actually the most judgmental people anyone can think of.
Really happy to be gone.